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My C&C should be in soon.. Now where to carry.? Its hot in these parts and I dont see wearing jackets and extra clothes as an option in the summer. I think carrying in a purse is asking for disaster. Especially since I lost my purse twice last year.. Ankle maybe in long pants? I dont wear a belt so not on the pants.. Anyone carry in the front pocket and does that work with tight jeans. I have a 38 airlite Any suggestions for front pocket holsters with jeans?

I found what looks to be a good article on pocket carrying..
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/pocketcarry.pdf

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Well, since you're a woman, your attire may vary (or it may not!). Front pocket is good with a good pocket holster. This will help conceal the shape (printing) of the gun itself if the pants are a little tight, or become so from bending down, etc. It will look like a cell phone or an wallet rather than a easily distinguishable gun shape. At the same time, MOST people go about their lives in their own little world and probably wouldnt notice anyways.

3:30 position on the belt is where I carry personaly. I've got a gun thats too big for pocket and would be down right annoying (and hard to get) on the ankle. I wear it IWB (in-waist-band) with whatever type shirt covering it. Youll likley have to change your dress attire a bit to accomodate. Not as many tight, form fitting shirts or pants and the like. A nice baggy shirt helps me draw from my concealed holster easy, sweeping it away with my hand as I draw, or with my left hand at the centerline ready to come up with the gun.

I've seen most ladies tend to carry IWB with a holster or clip right in the front of the pants, with the barrel basicaly pointing down the "groinial" region. Ive got a male friend that carrys that way too. Being skinny is a big factor there. My gut and large legs wont let me carry in that position with any comfort unless im standing straight up.


EDIT:

I should add, and as you probably are aware, no matter where you carry practice drawing from that position regularly while moving latteraly. It makes a world of difference and helps your muscle memory lock it in so in crisis mode you dont eve have to think about it. Watch some good quality SD pistol shooting videos, like Clint Smith from ThunderRanch and watch how they draw. Its very robotic, precise and deliberate movements and its all for a reason. Get used to, if you say carry on the hip, bringing your arm with your gun in hand straight up, with the barrel pointing down and your finger on the side, then rotating your wrist so the barrel is poiting at your target and pushing your arms straight forward, in front of you while you bring your left hand to complete the grip. Keep your left hand in your center line, right at your sternum area or on right on your belt buckle, but somewhere in the center of your body so lord forbid you dont shoot your left hand off.

Everyones different though, youll just have to keep trying the standard positions to find which one is most comfortable for you. For me, the 3-3:30 position on the hip (or just behind the hip) has worked better than any other I've tried and feels the most natural on the draw since I can sweep my shirt as I draw, bringing my left hand as I raise the gun and sights (and move latteraly!!!) up on target and it keeps the barrel from ever covering (pointing at) any part of my person at any time.

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Here, this sums my long post up pretty quick.

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Hey, you did it.. Congratulations! :ok:

Do all of your pants work with pocket carry?
IMO keeping your firearm in the same consistent location every day will outweigh anything else (think muscle memory)

I do ankle for that very reason...

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The J-Frame is made for pocket carry. Although some aren't comfortable with this, it could even be carried w/o a holster in the front pocket.

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I carry SOB, it's the only place anything larger than a staple is going to actually be concealed on me.

I understand the inherent weaknesses of SOB carry and I conduct myself accordingly. The biggest problem is in a vehicle and with certain types of backs on chairs. Also, you don't want to end up upside down, I suppose. I have no problem running and jumping, however.

I can fluidly draw and aim from most any position but it took several months of practice to get it down.

Oh yes, it's a big problem in the bathroom but I just draw and hold under my shirt in stalls, not such an issue at the urinal.

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Illegal in most states......... make sure you know your laws! (without a holster)


GRP

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How can you carry without a holster. In Ohio it is illegal, it has to be in a holster even if you have a CHL!


GRP

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Mexican carry is a no no here!

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carry it close to your NUTS, roll into the strip club sporting your new manhood!

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Haa Haa.................

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Thank you SLV>GLD



GRP

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Not all states have laws like that. Unless she is in Ohio, Ohio law is of no concern to her.

As far as how you should carry, start wearing a belt. I know you say you don't wear one, but you don't wear a gun right now either, do you? A good belt and an inside the waist band holster should allow you to conceal a compact handgun in the summer time / warm weather. The ankle is not a very good position for carry as it is difficult to access quickly. On your waist or even in a purse are much better.

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What states is pocket carry illegal in, and why would pocket carry be treated differently than IWB carry? Why would IWB carry in a holster be treated differently than IWB carry w/o a holster?

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This is why I have a Kel-Tec 380 ACP....small + flat + and 9 oz = shorts front pocket....Nemesis holster optional.....only way to go in hot weather.

I've carrier for over 20 years....lots of guns.....this is tested advise....you can't beat this for summer carry.

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that would look really strange on me.. :hissyfit_m:

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dont tell me you dont have a box of holsters to pick from yet? its all about the accessories, hahahahaha

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fanny pack?

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You've got me. I still can't figure out why you can strap one to your hip and walk all around here and be perfectly legal, but if it's even momentarily obscured from view you've committed a felony!

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oppsss......sorry for the :sarc:, dhould have read the rest of the post first! :10_1_20:

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Hey, burn me I don't care. All I was saying was you have to have some sort of a holster no matter what in Ohio or you are illegal..........


I've got my flame suit on, but that is how it is, just wanted to let all you experts know that not all states are the same!


Respectfully, GRP:favorites8:

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Concealed carry isn't an issue in most states with handgun permits, is it? I thought most carry states allowed CC but not open carry.

But what about carrying in a pocket vs. IWB concealed?

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It's just the strangeness of it to me. I"m not sure about all the laws, but I know in several "open-carry" states you're obligated to have a CCW to concealed carry.

So it's perfectly legal to carry a gun, but the manner in which you carry it can make it a felony.

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Texas?.......

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I know you said you lost your purse twice last year, but they make some purses especially for guns. This site has a short animated image that shows what I am talking about:

http://www.gungear.com/ez-catalog/X300536/2

Congratulations on getting your concealed permit. If you don't mind my asking, how'd you lose your purse twice?

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Look, people, as bullshit as it is the 2nd amendment has many infringements and you had better learn yourself to them before your whole pursuit of life liberty and happiness is infringed.

One of the biggest benefits of a local concealed carry class is learning local and state code on lethal force. I don't necessarily endorse the statutes but I highly suggest being knowledgeable on the subject.

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Avalon, I highly discourage purse carry for women for some of the reasons you have already mentioned. In the past year, one of my colleagues wives left here ccw purse in her shopping cart at a Walmart. Fortunately for her, it was still sitting in the cart 15 minutes later when she went back to (frantically) retrieve it. Another friends wife left her purse on their kitchen counter where her seven year old found it and proceeded to rumage through it without her being aware. He has been properly educated about firearms and did not play with her gun but this type of event has ended in tragedy too many other times. Another friends eighty year old grandmother (not a ccw holder) just recently got her purse snatched right off of her shoulder in broad daylight in a decent part of town. She was a little bruised up but at least the perp didn't end up getting a firearm out of the crime.

On youre body carry is the most secure method of carry. A fanny pack would be slightly better than a purse but still shares many of the same weaknesses.

The biggest challenge for many women is that they are not willing to make the proper adjustments to their wardrobe. I wear pants/shirts 1-2 sizes bigger than I need to properly conceal carry. You may need to consider the same. There are many good pocket carry and inside the waistband holsters available. If you want to avoid having a box of unused holsters in your garage (like many of us do), solicit some advise and maybe ask to borrow a friends if you know anyone else who carries. I highly recommend the pocket holster made by Safariland (Model 25) for your revolver, or the Cross Breed Super Tuck for ITWB carry. Just remember that a gun in hand is worth more than a dozen left at home. Good luck. Bx3

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I do recall front pocket carry was legal in our state correct?

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As BX3 said i am one of those woman who forgets my purses different places. I have forgotten my purse in shopping carts twice last year. I was fortunate both times and it was turned in to the desk..I dont see my advancing age as improving this situation so I better carry on my person. :shine:

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good post.. I really think carrying inside the wast band would drive me crazy. It would also make me nervous. I measured the pockets on some of my jeans. They are small. I dont know if pocket Carry with work.. I could see myself wearing outside the waist band and wearing a light open shirt for cover over a tank top in the summer.. No belt though.. that would drive me crazy too.. Is there a way to wear outside the waist band without a belt.?

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You lost your purse TWICE last year and you want to carry a gun?

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short answer...not if you want your knee and hip to ever stop hurting or your pants to stay up.:ok:

Edited to add:

The old saying goes, carrying (a gun) isnt necessarily comfortable as it is comforting. Just remember that. Its gonna take getting used to and a wardrobe/attire change is almost compulsar unless you are carrying one of those feather weight j frames or kel tec p3at's/ruger lcp's.

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yeah, worse then that I lost my car in the parking lot yesterday.. :111:
That's yet another reason i need to carry. If I have to wonder the parking lot at night looking for my car I better be prepared to defend myself. :s9:

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well there simply as to be an another answer for this..

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I'll carry it for you, but my services arent cheap:111:

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Go for the NAA mini:

http://www.snubnose.info/images/GunP..._NAA_50012.jpg

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This is exactly why i tell everyone to go as flat, small and light as possible - but still reasonable performance. Even an alloy J-Frame snubby revolver is 15 oz....great for a coat pocket....

The weight is the problem - you can't even trot with a pound in your pants pocket...

Plastic frame 380 ACP is the answer to summer carry.

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I found some of Lenny Magill's videos to be helpful in making decisions on where and how to carry. You could go to http://gunvideo.com and take a look at the video called Concealed Carry - Techniques & Secrets of the Pros. Lenny's videos are hokey and almost corny, but there is a lot of good information in there. He has a whole line of these videos: Advanced Concealed Carry, Way Advanced Concealed Carry, etc. The good thing about these videos is that they show you a lot of options for carry including different types of holsters, etc. They also teach you how to properly draw and present the weapon from concealed. I have to admit that they helped me a lot when I was struggling with what you are now.

I made adjustments to my wardrobe, as mentioned above.

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Shoulder holster?

This is why I just open carry.

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anyone try one of these tee shirts.. this looks doable even in summer with a light shirt over top... BTW, thats not me in the pic..

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I think that gun would carry much different on a less well-endowed woman.

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No, it would not carry different it would just look different.. :111:

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There's really only two ways to go with concealed carry. One way is to carry a weapon the right size to be easy and effective to use and chambered in a capable caliber. This way is going to be the most uncomfortable and will require you to change your wardrobe. The other way is to carry the smallest and lightest gun you can find understanding that it isn't going to be as effective but it will be comfortable and it's much better than hurling insults.

Figure out which one of those two options you really want and do it. Actually concealing the weapon is not hard at all, it's just a matter of comfort and fashion. Pocket carry in a holster works great for small and light guns. An IWB holster worn on your center line with an untucked shirt works great for larger guns. Either mode of carry works fine with shorts and a t-shirt, male or female. Hot or cold doesn't matter, it's just a choice of comfort and fashion.

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Well, I got the call and my permit is here and I still have not decided how or where to carry my revolver..
I guess for now Ill put it in my purse till I figure it out...

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realistically I think I would be miserable weighted down by a gun inside or outside my pants.. I hate heavy clothes, and belts..I really dont want to carry it in my purse but Im not going to buy bigger pants or baggy clothes so I can wear a gun. At my age the last thing I need to do is buy BIGGER clothes. What if I decide I should grown into them..:bear_w00t:

I guess Ill look at some conceal purses..

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Remember Avalon,

like we said before its supposed to be comforting, not comfortable. ;)

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I agree with that sentiment but I'm a guy. The most important things are to firstly have a gun and secondly know how to use it. An NAA mini on a chain around your neck beats a 1911 or Glock left at home. If small, light and comfortable means she'll actually carry the gun that's what she should do.

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I carry a Glock 26 in an IWB Crossbreed Supertuck holster at 3 o'clock. I am a shorter female 5'2" and appropriate weight for height. I have to wear a cover garment pretty much all the time. I usually wear a lightweight shirt and cover with a thin button up shirt which I leave open or a very light sweater. I live in FL so I have to think hard about all the clothes I buy. Everyone jokes that I must always be cold. I dress the same way at work (where I can not carry) as I do everywhere else. That way no one ever sees a difference and wonders why.

I also have a smart carry that I will occasionally use and that works well when I cannot get away with my usual clothes, though it is not my preferred method of carry.

If you are going to carry and especially if you are female you simply must dress around the gun. There is no easy way out of that. Also while many men will try to sell you on pocket carry I have yet to see a woman who can pocket carry in women's pants. Not even an option.

I do not like purse carry. It may work for some but it is not safe for most women. The truth is no woman holds onto her purse all day. You put it down too often and then you do not have physical control of your firearm. If you never put it down you stand out like a sore thumb. I want my gun at my side and under my direct control at all times.

You have to find what works for you and make it a part of your daily routine.

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Good to have a womans opinion little ant. And good to see ya around, havent seen ya post in a while!

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I bought a "smart carry" for my Ruger 345.

http://www.smartcarry.com/photos.html

http://www.smartcarry.com/

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thank you Little Ant.. Ill check those out.. Im glad you showed up

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I checked out the smart carry. Is that thing comfortable? Who else uses one? It might be the answer depending on the feedback of the comfort level.. Doesn't it make your pants tighter? Are men really comfortable having a gun hang directly at the family jewels like that? And did they have to use Charlie in his boxers for the model.. :bear_w00t:
Too early for that. The men in Kilts guys would have made a better presentation.. :wub:

Can I get feedback form anyone who has used one of these .. Little Ant can you tell me a little more about yours?

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good video on the smart carry

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Some other questions.. for those of you who carry revolvers do you keep on in the chamber when you carry?


really good review on the Smart Carry.. this might work.

http://journal.drfaulken.com/smartca...olster-review/

here is a huge thread on a discussion board on the smart carry. Very informative as these guys have tired them

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...art-carry.html

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Avalon,

You may be interested in these videos on holsters and conceal carry. She speaks to conceal carry more on the 2nd video. She strikes me as very experienced.

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those were great videos.. thank you for the link. She made a belt look not so horrible .. Maybe I could adjust to a belt. I like the first holster outside the waist band the best. It looked the most comfortable..

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She has a number of other videos; does gun reviews, and is a mom that carries a 45! :emotions16: :36_3_12:

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she is really cute but she has scary eyes.. I do believe she would shoot without hesitation.. LOL

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You know they say the eyes are a window to the soul. Scary is her first line of defense. :yes:

The 45 is her second.

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My understanding is that the use of blocking bars (S&W) and transfer bars (Ruger) makes modern double action revolvers perfectly safe to carry fully loaded.

These devices were specifically designed prevent rounds from being fired unless the trigger is pulled.

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The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the problem of concealed carry is going to require a �two-gun� solution.

At least for me.

Glock 26, or S&W J-frame, or RUGER LCR, when it�s chilly out, and I�m wearing my standard uniform of a jacket and hooded sweatshirt.

Ruger LCP, when it�s summertime, and I�m typically wearing a short-sleeve work shirt.

Absent the jacket and sweatshirt, the requirements for concealing a larger gun all seem painful to me.

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you guys are cracking me up.... I had no idea men put so much though into their conceal wardrobes.. You guys are worse then a bunch of woman shopping for shoes... :5_1_120:

I just want somewhere to hang my gun where I wont hurt myself.. Obviously I am going to have to wear a belt.. LOL

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Tactical fashion is very important to many male humans. Bet you didn't realize that their was this hidden world did ya.:s1:Bx3

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Oh avalon, you havent shopped around on enough concealed carry websites yet, have you? There is an entire underworld of mens CCW fashion and fashion accessories out there! :P

quadroon is right. I know for me at least, a two gun solution is whats called for. Down here in florida, we rarley, if ever wear big coats, so that leaves out that option most of the year. The rest of the year its hot and miserable and clothing is usualy light and thin. Id prefer to carry .45, but some days I simply want nothing more than a little kel tec p3at or pf9.

And now everything I wear generaly revolves around the most comfortable way to carry my gun. Everything I buy is thought out "can I wear my gun with this?" . Which isnt hard, because Ive always worn big and baggy anyways. ;)

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I have been a girlie-girl my whole life. I had no idea guy stuff was so much fun!! Not only guns but all the neat camping stuff. One guy in our group even has night vision binoculars..

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:cry1: :rofl:

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I saw an inside the pants holster once that would have fit nicely in the sob. kicking myself now for not buying it. I carry in my purse/pocket. However, I am rarely around kids and if I know I will be around kids I will be sure to carry on person. If I am going to be shopping I carry in my pocket. It's one thing for someone to snatch your purse from a cart but it's a whole new ballgame when they snatch your purse with your gun in it. I would also suggest ditching the .38 and getting and LCP. I have both and prefer the LCP much more. It's easier to conceal in tighter fitted clothing so you can still look cute and it's also much smaller.

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That is why Victoria's Secret makes push up bras!

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A nice demonstration of the Cross Breed Super Tuck::s9:

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I like pocket holsters. I have been grabbing things from my pocket for 45+ years and can find it always.

There are a couple of things a pocket holster does.

1.Keeps debris and change out of the gun.

2.Keeps the Gun upright in a position to grab.

3.Breaks up the outline so it does not look like a gun.

If a holster does these things its good enopugh for me.

I buy cheap ones and replace often because they seem more comfortable.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/958a089284887702

This is a pic of the type I use.

congrats on the CC-

E-A

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two of the guys on our group have that holster and love it..

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Just move straight to the LCP or Kel-Tec....a 380ACP is a very potent cartridge....nearly 38 SPL performance. You can't beat the ability to carry a small flat sub 10 oz pistol in your front pocket.

I've done this for 20+ years.....you will leave the holster gun that goes on your belt home 9/10 times in the summer.....with the small 380's you can get these days - there is no reason to not carry 7 x 24 if out of the home.

Weight is the major issue.

Now, I just carry the 380 both summer and winter.

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Next to your Johnson with the safety off.

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Im thinking you might be right.. I have fired one of those Kel-Techs before and it wasn't so bad. If I recall it had some recoil but it was manageable..

I think it's important to be honest about lifestyle. I know myself and I really dislike heavy and restrictive clothing. If it isnt comfortable the gun will get left home or thrown in my purse..

I guess now that I have my C&C I can buy a gun anytime I want or can afford it.. :banana:

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Is this Kel-Tec from gunbrokers the same one you are talking about? Can someone check it out..?
Why is it so cheap? Does anyone know how long it is..?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=162670564

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The new Taurus is much better IMHO. Trigger is smooooother and its accurate because of this.

Its been out about a month. I was shooting my friends two weeks ago and was supprised I could hit a 2" target at 7yards.

E-A

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do you have a link for it?

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http://tgscom.com/images/sharedimages/tcp.jpgThe Taurus TCP otherwise known as the Taurus Compact Pistol, which is one of the newest Taurus pistols aimed at the concealed carry market.


The Taurus TCP is a new innovation chambered in 380 ACP to compete with the largely popular Kel-Tec and Ruger 380 pistols. The Taurus PT-738 is the official model release, which is sure to be one of the most successful innovations of Taurus� own devices.


Like the other popular 380 pistols, the Taurus is made from polymers, and features a remarkably low profile, and designed to be double action only. The Taurus PT 738 is made to be a pocket pistol, so it features a heavier than normal trigger pull, which prevent accidental discharge. The Taurus 738 weighs around 10.2 ounces, and comes in a variety of finish options.
Unlike the Taurus pistols that many of us come to know the new line of Taurus TCP pistols are made in the USA, which has been a selling point for many who would have never considered Taurus otherwise. The Taurus PT 738 also features a 3.3 inch barrel, with an overall length of just 5.19 inches. Features like the ambidextrous magazine release, chamber indicator, and sleek design make these pistols stand apart from the competition.
Off the website.

Taurus TCP

E-A

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About a minute into the vid I realized I was looking only at the holster fit and not her ass; also hoping she'd turn around further....so I could see how far apart the second belt clip was from the first.

The holster doesn't look like it has good retention. Can you run full-tilt with the gun in the holster?

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video on the Taurus